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To continue the metaphor, ripples can intersect and create new and unique wave patterns

hello yonce jones from nyc

Absolutely. I as a Native Indigenous person who is not on a reservation, like all of us, wake up every day to a world we no longer recognize.

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Agreed.

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It is a boulder after boulder that create clashing waves and ripples which equal complete chaossafe with no perceived place to land

Absolutely - even off the reservation - in Vermont - my grandmother's generation - went through the Eugenics survey sterilization program - definite lack of trust in systems...

Yes, I Agree. I am also African American

Absolutely Agree.

blood memory.

One example is how Indigenous ways of caring for the planet have been erased and therefore further the impacts of climate change.

yes, Jill Granger,

We see it's effects in the marginalization of IPOC.

Great question on epigenetics

Are we allowed to ask questions? I am wondering how the oppression of women has resulted intergenerational trauma?

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Agreed.

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There's is a Biological effect with trauma store in our body.

I think the ACES study demonstrated the relationship between trauma and biology

some of the most radicalized people I know are developmental biologists - just years and years of grant-funded studies that scream <this societal institution has traumatized this group, and its hereditability goes beyond that environment>

Please grab some water

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/trauma-inherited-generations/573055/

There's an incredibly insightful and impactful podcast--1619--that weaves personal present day narrative through time and back, demonstrating that history and racism first experienced and instituted through slavery in the US deeply irrevocably impacts black folx today. (1619 is one of many many many resources; it was accessible helped bring trauma and intergenerational trauma to light through a personal story). <3

Thanks Alex

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/trauma-inherited-generations/573055/

thank you for the link!

I am doing a community read of 1619. Incredible learning.

https://boardingschoolhealing.org/

It's also re-establishing education of the true facts of history within the school curriculum.

@mitzi - yay! so impactful. having only learned a white washed, white supremacist version of history, I learned so much more about actual historical events from Lincoln to AMA lobbying to prevent universal healthcare in the 40s to ... on and on. incredible to see/hear the thread from 1619 through 2022 in the economy, health, health care, etc.

Residential boarding "schools' !!!!

social determinants of health are *not* arbitrarily distributed

^^^

What about the witch hunts and affects on women?

Good question Connie.

Our indigenous women and Young ladies are still being kidnapped, assaulted/raped, murdered and gone missing. Our movement now is Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women or MMIW.

Also, l Puerto Rican families who had a woman from their family secretly sterilized.

you can give folks all the info/tools you want but they also have to be willing/open to receiving, understanding, utilizing the info/tools given. but of course that doesn't mean we keep trying to move forward!

Speaking truth to power in public health should be the norm.e.g. Lack of healthcare access stems from redlining which stems from chattel slavery which stems from...

Also, the many men and women who were

raped on voyage from south to north.

Here in the rural south nothing has change nothing

facts

Native Indigenous Veterans of Native Indigenous vs USA Wars are NOT recognized as Veterans by US VA or State VA's.

Truth and reconciliation is required groundwork to equity work...without them DEI seems superficial

You can't just go into an area and start telling folks what they need. The best interventions start with going to the organizations ALREADY DOING THE WORK in the community and finding out what you can do to help them.

I believe the bottom-line is FEAR. Fear perpetuates ignorance in our society to avoid learning about other groups that may not look like us, learn their history, etc. If we don't learn our history, history will repeat itself.

DEIB* Diversity equity inclusion belonging

Kandyce, I find that they don't know how to accept help when they have lived with generational systemic poverty and biases. They don't have the self-efficacy to get better....

TIC also should be included

Yesss!!!! DEE is exactly what I need to be implementing

That is so true

Agreed. Wonderful Distinction.

Attendance is not the same as engagement

Excellent point! Engage Me Thank you

@Erin, "They don't know how to accept help" sounds really dismissive. Perhaps the help folks are offered is NOT the help the actually NEED?

Erin Combs, perhaps society doesn't understand how to include folks. There are many lenses to and sometimes we need to look at our perspective.

they actually need, not the

sorry

It is repeating Itself

@Bonnie, that is so true. I'm constantly offered help but it's not the help they need

How do intergenerational trauma and epigenetics affect colonial moralities predicated on a belief in Libertarian Free Will?

There is no morality in colonialism...

perhaps. In my town, much of the problem is the gap between the providers and the poverty that our clients live in. When we can't understand how life looks through their eyes, it is hard to connect.

What does DEE stand for

If you have difficulty connecting, it could be that the communities you are trying to "help" don't trust you.

Because the historical trauma of my people is not expressed in the color of the skin, it is often overlooked or worse, dismissed

same, Dina

diversity equity and engagement

thank you

@Amy - DEE Diveristy, Equity, Engagement

Yes Terence! Not providing safe spaces for their workers. I work for the Oregon Health Authority and the new concept is Eliminating Health Inequity by year 2030! Sounds great but policy and legislation is tailored to the dominant culture, and now the state is leaning on folks with lived experience and bring them into spaces to help make change and folks of color who are new to the space are being retraumatized!

Erin Combs, I hear some bias and assumption in your comments. Those two factors are always going to be a barrier for you. Sounds like you may need to do some work to break that down so you can better understand.

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How can I get credit for this with my organization?

I agree Bonnie on trust issues.

how so, Miranda? I'd love to work through as many of my biases as I can. I can only speak to my own experiences, which aren't many. I try very hard to bridge that gap between our clients and our providers. I am in a very small town and trust is a BIG issue, but normally not one that I have with my folks.

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Individual work also includes checking your own biases and I like the point about cultural humility

The comment of "self-efficacy" might be a bit biased.

Wow Dr. just took us there. It’s about “cultural humility,” not “cultural competency”.

encouraging those with trauma informed models to use trauma informed agency wide assessments to self assess where they are with these issues.

Erin, something that I've seen in my community that I think speaks to what you're getting at is that the trust that you're not getting might not be related to you at all but instead about your organization or what the person you're working with perceives your organization to represent. We struggled with people thinking we represented the city or the government and that's part of where the mistrust came from, even if folks trust us on an individual level.

and working to create as safe an atmosphere as possible to staff answer assessment questions honestly.

https://www.racialequityalliance.org/tools-resources/

The TI-ROC is an wonderful assessment tool.

Cultural- Linguistics

Exactly, Alisha. When I said "trust you" I did mean at an institutional level.

I don't see it, can you elaborate? This is what I struggle with the most with my folks. They can't see their lives as better than it is and I work very hard to help them envision that. That is usually where I have to start. It is hard for many of my folks to work toward goals because they have no hope for change.

Trying to get buy in is great! My experience currently is trying to get policy makers and legislators to buy in on cultural humility. Looking at ways to bridge the gap!

Kellee - what is the TI-ROC?

How do we see ourselves forwarding restorative justice

workforce development, shared learning. if we want external change to be successful, we need to look inward before we look outward. creating safe spaces to discuss, learn, and identify implicit bias, gender, identity, power, privilege--how are these showing up for you, how do they make you feel, collecting information w/out judgement about yourself.

Agreed.

Trauma-Informed Resilience-Oriented Care (TI-ROC) is a wonderful tool that offers “guidance for care organizations and mobile crisis units to support not only the individual receiving services but also the staff delivering care – a trauma-informed team is a team who provides better care both to those they serve and to each other.”

@Erin, "They can't see their lives as better than it is and I work very hard to help them envision that." How do your clients define "better" versus how you define "better" for their lives?

Self-assessment of our biases and understanding of connection to others different from us.

It can be impossible to feel like any level of personal change matters when systems are built against you. The systems need to change to provide better opportunities. You can't expect a fish to fly.

Thank you Cherline

lateral oppression/violence is also a manifestation of historical and intergeneration trauma that impacted communities experience

TY Kellee!! Looks like a great resource for my mental health agency!

but its individuals with power and privilege that have created and perpetuated white supremacy and institutionalized racism - so we can and need to start with individuals.

Agreed Miranda

enough individuals will foster change - changing the system takes way way way longer than working with individual, groups, communities, organizations.

https://icmglt.org/intergenerational-assessment-tools/

May be i'm misunderstanding. “Cultural Humility” is the antithesis of what we teach here in America. As a nation/ people, aren't we taught to have cultureal pride….to celebrate who we are and what we do and whwew we come from…

The system(s) that are in place only treats the symptoms of poverty, mental health, healthcare etc.

Where*

@Bonnie, that is a very valid point, and admittedly something I struggle with. I think specifically about substance abuse, domestic violence victims, and those in unhealthy relationships as well as some of my hoarders and disordered eaters. I am learning to help set attainable goals with my folks, but it is hard with they have no hope for change.

Agreed Rosalyn

cultural humility to me means you've dropped your ego and are open and willing to learn and understand that there is more than one way to be -- more than one culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaSHLbS1V4w&t=377s

@Erin, have you taken Motivational Interviewing training?

and practicing cultural humility requires meeting people where they are and walking with them toward their cultural view of health -

I have, and I use it often

I can't get some of my folks TO ambiguity to talk them through it sometimes.

Cultural humility is important because it uplifting people's lived experience which shapes their values which then helps make connections that are meaningful and impactful

In my experiencing- it can be acknowledged that all peoples and communities are impacted and effected by historical trauma. The recognition and awareness of that in all encounters and work to support others will be better more effective when we hold that truth.

TED talk on cultural humility. Very useful resourcehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww_ml21L7Ns

Thank you Mary!! "THEIR CULTURAL VIEW OF HEALTH"

<3 @miranda

@Erin, sounds like you are trying to "make" your clients do something rather than meeting them where they are and working on what it is the client hopes to accomplish.

Got it! I see. If thats the case, then I love the concept (cultural humility) as a perspective and a practice…

I think everything is on a spectrum because there are people out there who are trying to let go of cultural things that are no longer serving them well whether because of personal growth or geographical difference...how do you support someone like that navigate?

Cultural humility is the life long process of self-reflection and self-critique; acknowledging what we don't know; understanding historical trauma; looking at our own beliefs and values; identities

I have used this starter kit to help me check-in with myself and to have a self-care plan in place to help me both maintain and in emergencies: https://socialwork.buffalo.edu/resources/self-care-starter-kit.html

maybe, Quianda. I will certainly put some more thought into that...

Erin, I totally relate to what you're describing. For myself and my community as well as folks I've worked with, part of that resistance to "imagining a better life" comes from trying to get that before and failing or feeling like failing or never seeing an example of better in your family or community. There's so much comfort in continuing the life you're familiar with and a TON of discomfort in reaching for something else. I also have to practice recognizing that my idea of a better life might not align with this person's definition of a better life. When working through that idea with a client, I find that it's really important to ask thing like "what opportunities do you wish you would have had" or "what do you see others have that you wish you had and how can we get there?". It's easier to look outward and find examples of what you want than it is sometimes to imagine that for yourself.

@Erin, is there an opportunity to hire a community health worker to assist with bridging the gaps in trust with your clients?

@Erin, I understand what you're saying and believe you want better for your "folks." At the same time, the people you serve may not be in a place to receive EVERYTHING in a short period of time

Hiring from within the communities.

Because racism was a very culturally accepted practice in USA but now people for the most part are realizing the ways in no longer serves the country...

Bonnie, people in my community don't generally have an appropriate education.

https://www.studentaffairs.pitt.edu/cc/resources/racial-trauma-self-care-resources/

Thank you for the resources

Cherline except here in the south

Amazing conversation and engagement. Thank you, and thank you for the resources!

this came up for us recently, @bonnie - we need to make sure our organization feels *safe* for more diverse hires to even consider wanting to work with us, too. this gets to the safe space that Dr. referenced. it's a chicken/egg conundrum, both need to happen

Wado(Ty) Very much for the resources and conversations.

The White Supremacy view of "health" is perfection, urgency, one right way, individualism. That is endemic in our society and we don't understand that it isn't for everyone and can be harmful to folks who have experienced trauma.

yes miranda!!!

Yes Terence Yes!

@Miranda Graul great observation

Better to be straightforward and in denial.

100% Dr. Fitzgerald

I like that.

@erin, ""appropriate" education" is a judgment/values-based assessment/assumption. there are many kinds of 'education'.

^^^

around and around....

better to be straightforward than in denial

truth!

sorry for the typo before

Thank you Miranda

speak it Dr.!

Is anyone keeping up with all the resources being shared? Is there a way we can get them all in a document that can be shared after the webinar?

Very true fact Dr. Fitzgerald

so true..... Hop aboard. or get off

Yes!!

thank you for this honest and valuable discussion.

It's hard to know where to start when the organization perpetuates performative DEI over and over... but Actively Resists doing DEE work. We will never feel safe :(

I needed to hear this today Dr. Fitzgerald!

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Excellent point! Dr. Fitzgerald

Well said

AGREED on Accountability!!!

Speak truth to power

@Gabriella ironically I read your first version and processed it like the second one ('better straightforward than in denial')

All resources will be shared on our SJLA webpage within 48 hours of the webinar https://www.thenationalcouncil.org/event/historical-intergenerational-trauma-and-resiliency/

So important and challenging

Thank you for the sharing of the resources. I've been trying to keep track and this will be really helpful.

Thank you Alex

Call them in :)

Call it out

the burnout is real. but yes the callin them into the conversation to learn and do better.

Holding folks Accountable! Staying strong even when you might not have all the support you need. Calling organizations out. I totally agree Dr. Fitzgerald!

call them out to call them in bonnie ;)

https://www.studentaffairs.pitt.edu/cc/resources/racial-trauma-self-care-resources/https://socialwork.buffalo.edu/resources/self-care-starter-kit.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww_ml21L7Nshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaSHLbS1V4w&t=377shttps://icmglt.org/intergenerational-assessment-tools/https://www.racialequityalliance.org/tools-resources/https://boardingschoolhealing.org/https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/trauma-inherited-generations/573055/

We're seeing this in college athletics with no one being held accountable

Important to understand what White Supremacy Culture is so we can fight it!! https://overcomingracism.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/HANDOUT-SHARED-Characteristics-of-White-Supremacy-Culture-original-1.pdf

I like this idea of not accepting interns from SSWs that haven't make a strategic plan for DEI in their department

Agreed

Spot on Dr. Fitzgerald same view in other professions Police Officers, Nurses, Policy Makers.

Thank you, Dr.Fitzgerald

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thank you for speaking frank, Doc!!

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"Our ancestors had healers before colonization brought us therapists." -mtoliver_lcsw

Thank You

We are all forced to participate in a capitalist system that requires inequality in all things.

Agree its time to be transparet

Salamat Dr Fitzgerald

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Thank you- awesome presentation

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really appreciate this conversation

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Thanks to Everyone!! ✌️

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Thank you all very much for all your information and discussion.

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@bonnie!! yes - I HATE CAPITALISM

Thank you for this candid discussion today!

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Bless you all for this important work and discussion

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Contact info for Dr Fitzgerald?

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WADO (TY)

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Thank you so much Dr. Fitzgerald and training team! This has been very informative!

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THANK YOU FOR THIS IMPORTANT CONVERSATION

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Thank you so much Dr. Fitzgerald and for wonderful Facilitation!

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I'd To connect with Fitzgerald

Will we have access to the recording or transcript?

Yes, recording will be sent out in the follow up email :)

Thank you Dr. Fitzgerald. I enjoyed this discussion.

And hope you feel better soon! Highest good, peace and well-being...

Great webinar, valuable information!

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